Hi dearly beloveds,
How loved are you by God?
Does God’s love for me require me to be in His servitude? Is His love for me contingent on my good deeds? Will He ever curse me should I be disobedient to Him? Do I need to pray more, fast more to have more favour with Him?
I’m sure these are some very valid questions to some of us out there.
The answer we seek is the Cross of Calvary. Please watch the short music video first before reading on.
I See Love by 3rd Day – Soundtrack of The Passion
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=596dfa7c219db523f73a
I truly see Love on that rugged cross.
Can God love you so much that He gave His very best to be punished in your place? Yes because He is God. And HE can because He is a God of love.
We can use a phrase from the world to describe this: Love is not love till you give it away.
Can you and I do the same to our own child? To our own beloved flesh and blood? To punish your beloved one for someone else’s sin?
This love is so amazing and incomprehensible that Paul called it a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks.
1Corinthians 1:
22 For the Jews ask for a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom;
23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness.
Jesus Christ WILL be a stumbling block to religiosity, Jesus WILL be foolishness to philosophy.
BUT, We declare to the world that Jesus Christ was crucified and rose again on the 3rd day conquering death, satan and hell, rising victoriously for us!
All that God has done for us was summed up on the cross, ALL His love for us was summed up on the cross, ALL His forgiveness, ALL His mercy, ALL His judgment was summed up on the cross. I used the word was because now we’re living in the IS of God. He IS our Refuge, He IS our Shelter, He IS our Hiding place, He IS our Healing, He IS our Provider, He IS our Prosperity, He IS our Righteousness, He IS our Holiness. We’re now IN Christ. Whatever GOD IS so are we!!! Amen! Hallelujah!
Now, that is love isn’t it? UNCONDITIONAL, IRREVOCABLE, ETERNAL.
ALL that GOD IS, IS us now, the believer in Christ Jesus. He paid His own price of Judgment on His beloved Jesus.
Blessed ones, now Rejoice!
Psalms 13:
5 But I have trusted in Your mercy; my heart shall rejoice in Your salvation(original Hebrew: Yeshua/Jesus).
Blessed is he who sees, blessed is he who hears.
Thank you Father that you hear me always! Father I rejoice in Your Yeshua!
Shalom Shalom,
Emmanuel
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Long time since I have seen a post here… I have a blog for Christian youths in Singapore too..
Did Jesus ever said he is God? or was it paul whom was the original speaker.
Did he said he is the son of God?
Why did Jesus not married?
How do Jesus pray? Has any account been made during his time.
What was the language that Jesus used – English? Greek? Latin? Hebrew? none of it. It’s Aramaic. Why does the bible is in Greek then?
Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30 Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.
Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?
Saracen,
We love people who are seeking knowledge. I hope you are seeking knowledge and not trying to stir some hatred arguments.
So you asked all those questions. I assume you have read the entire bible yeah? Good for you.
I hope you find these answers to your questions fruitful. Funny you didn’t saw it.
Anyways….
Did Jesus ever said he is God?
Did he said he is the son of God?
Answer: (sorry you got to open your own bible to find the following answers)
John 4:25-26 Matthew 16:15-17 Matthew 26:63-64 Luke 22:70 John 10:36-38
There are also many references that Jesus received worship. That you can find on your own.
Why did Jesus not married?
Answer: Because He was crucified before He can find an ideal woman. Lol…
Well, He is married. He is married to the church. If you read the bible which I assume you had, you will know what I mean. So go ahead do some reading k?….
How do Jesus pray?
Well there are many accounts He prayed. I am sure you have come across it. How He prayed? Not sure. But He loves to go to mountains and quiet places to pray. Maybe He kneels. Maybe He stand. Maybe He lying down. Maybe He raises His hands.
What was the language that Jesus used – English? Greek? Latin? Hebrew? none of it. It’s Aramaic. Why does the bible is in Greek then?
Simple. The entire region was speaking Greek at that time. Greek was the modern day language of the time. Just like English now.
Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?
Christianity is still monotheism. If I say Islam is also a Trinity, what say you?
Allah as God, Quran as Word of God, Ruh Allah as Spirit of God.(Allah has a ruh)
Father as God, Jesus as the living Word of God, and Holy Spirit as Spirit of God.
So you see, you claim that Jesus did not claimed divinity or divine sonship. Where did you get all those information?
Well, have a blessed day.
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
- John 14:8-9
This letter is addressed to Ridzuan AKA Tedfox AKA Emmanuel. Three persons in one person. Just like Trinity ïŠ.
For those who don’t know, this is a reply to Ridzuan on that he did not give me opportunity to answer. Or simply he cannot answer.
http://evan.tedfox.com/pages/another-malay-christian/#comments
Phew! Ridzuan AKA Tedfox AKA Emmanuel. I can sense your emotion that you don’t leave a space for me to reply. Pity you. Allow me to reply, please.
You said: If I were to choose which faith to follow, I will follow Christianity now.
I say : Go ahead. Do you think that you are so great that you owe Islam anything? Or do you thing that Islam desperately need Muslim like you? In fact I doubt you are a Muslim.
You said: Not once I see the Christians attacking you.
I said: Why would Christians attack me ( Muslim/ Islam )? You know that Christian malay are minority and attacking Islam will invite more hate to Christians. They are playing safe.
Christians nowadays don’t care about Christianity, even most of the critic of Christianity coming from Christian themselves. Why do they bother to critic Islam? Most of them also realize that trying to criticize Islam eventually will lead them to discovery about Islam ( which they don’t want to ).
They also realize by criticizing Islam will lead to the discovery about their dark side. The saying goes ; if your house is made of glass, don’t throw stone to other people house. You know, in Christianity, apart from grace, salvation and love, there is also Inquisition, Holocaust, priest scandal, gay movement etc.
You said :Though this is a Christian blog after all.
I say: If you were to attack Islam, do you go to Christian website? You go to Islam website, right? So, naturally, if I were to attack Christianity, I go to Christian website.
But I don’t attack Christianity. Tapi,siapa yang makan cili dia yang terasa pedas.I presented my idea about Christianity that they conceal from innocent young Muslims. The word attacking also is up to someone interpretation. In my opinion, actually Christians ARE attacking Islam by fishing innocent Muslim here. At least, I’m honest and frank. Not deceptive and cunning like them by saying good word, pretending that they glorify god, but actually destroying the institution of Allah.
Honestly, do you wish Muslim to criticize you especially from innocent and simple young Muslim? I know you wish so, so that you can answer them and show that you are good, patient, and honest and glorify god by showering them phrases from Bible like what Emmanuel did for those 14 years old kids! This is what you studied as an evangelist. ( Cunning ! ) But not a critic from people like me right? because I come with proof that can disclose your real self. The moral : don’t look down the mind of Muslim. Never think that Muslims are easy prey. You better go to west and preach Christianity to western people who are now abandoning Christianity.
You said:Arent you ashame? Is this how Islam has taught you to dakwah?
I say :What do you know about Islam? What do you as a Muslim ( if you are one ) to explain about the reality of Islam and Christianity here? Aren’t you ashame to say that to me? Cerminlah diri anda dulu. Tak malu ke berpura-pura konon jadi orang Islam untuk hentam orang Islam? Tak ada cara lain lagi ke nak kasi orang rasa bersalah?
You said:And your facts are so illogical. All you did was quoted it from some website and expect people to listen to you as though you are some scholar.
I say ; My facts are from Wikipedia. Christian like Dan Jash also quoted from wikipedia to prove his claim.. I quoted from websites because Emmanuel ask me proof, not hearsay. Tapi bila bagi bukti, taknak terima pulak. I’m not a scholar, but I’m a MUSLIM which I’m grateful to Allah. Why you are so concerned and criticised about my style of writing instead of the ideas? It that because you can’t refute the facts?
You said : Your last post is filled with randomness. You just choose a topic and then change it and then move on to another topic. Then the final touch it looks so well written but actually everything is copy and paste. You spend your time so much on the internet finding information to post here and you forgot to spend time to talk about Allah.
I say : What randomness? It’s your mind that random. Look at the ideas and fact. I try to present that Islam promote peace and tolerance, unlike Christianity by looking at the account of the history from present day and going back to antiquity. I make sure the ideas are brief and clear. Yes, I cut and paste because it’s in line with my flow of thought. I admit that my English is not good. So why can’t I copy some phrases if it can convey my idea? After all, I don’t claim it as mine as I enclosed it with the web link reference. Kalau boleh jawab, jawablah. Jangan kutuk sahaja.
For your information, I don’t pay so much my time in internet; the ideas come from Allah naturally. This is the sign of Allah. All the info are ready in Wikipedia that was not created by Muslim!
I wish to say to you: If you a Muslim, you are a shame to Islam for your inferiority complex, and if you are a Christian, you are a disgrace to Christianity too by showing your simplemindedness. But, I chose not to because you don’t deserved any remark.
Al Quran 29:49 Nay, but this [divine writ] consists of messages clear to the hearts of all who are gifted with [innate] knowledge and none could knowingly reject Our messages unless it be such as would do wrong [to themselves].
Al Quran 2:121 Those unto whom We have vouchsafed the divine writ [and who] follow it as it ought to be followed it is they who [truly] believe in it; whereas all who choose to deny its truth -it is they, they who are the losers!
Al Quran 3:110 YOU ARE indeed the best community that has ever been brought forth for [the good of] mankind: you enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and you believe in God. Now if the people of the books ( Christian and Jews ) had attained to [this kind of] faith, it would have been for their own good; [but only few] among them are believers, while most of them are perverted transgressors.
Hi Brother Syukri,
Emmanuel here. I’m not Ridzuan and neither am I Tedfox.
I’m wondering since when did i do this? You have mentioned here: “I know you wish so, so that you can answer them and show that you are good, patient, and honest and glorify god by showering them phrases from Bible like what Emmanuel did for those 14 years old kids!”
What 14 year old kids? How come now you are saying things that did not happen? I’m not that so called evangelist that gave money to those kids. Anyway even if it were me, what proof have you? Like i mentioned before, where’s you actual proof, statistical data or spy-cam or whatever else that can give incriminating evidence for such an activity?
We Brothers & Sisters in Christ here have NOT gone down to your level where we are using Quranic verses and historical data that has a fundamentally negative image of Islam, Allah & Muhammad in our conversations with you. By doing so, we are not glorifying our God of Love & Peace. By doing so, we would have created more animosity. But the person here that seems to embody animosity amongst us altogether here, as children of humanity, is you Syukri.
Though you obviously have the free will to post anything here, i urge not to do so because it is not productive in anyway and you seek to destroy the peace that we have as a Malay race altogether. What difference does it make if you were Muslim and I were a Christian and our homeland(assuming we are fellow countrymen) were being attacked by a foreign aggressor, wouldn’t we fight side by side to protect what is dear to us? Your family, my family? Isn’t the blood shed in that battle the same crimson tide and for the same cause for peace that we seek for a nation?
Wouldn’t it glorify Allah for you to bless us instead? Wouldn’t it glorify Allah for you to pray for our peace as brethren of the same creed? Wouldn’t it glorify Allah for you to truly love us as your neighbours despite our differences?
As much as you condemn us for never ever being Muslims before, it doesn’t really make a difference, really. I was a Muslim, Ridzuan was a Muslim. But now we are born again in Christ. We are a new creation in YHVH’s sight (2 Corinthians 5:17).
I don’t really have a problem with you saying that i’ve never been a Muslim because right now, spiritually, YHVH has given me a new identity.
So Brother Syukri, i wish you well on your journey again. I pray that God’s love will manifest in your life, that you will have a personal encounter of His saving Grace in your walk with Him.
Peace, Shalom & God bless you always,
Emmanuel
Syukri,
It is I who closed the comment function on my post. Not Emmanuel or Tedfox. I see enough of hatred and lies that you have been posting. Am I angry? Sure. Am I sad? Yeap. But what can I do? Just see my faith being thrown around and criticised by a Malaysian? I do not think so.
We have done our part to tell you the wonderous love of God. It is up to you to accept it or not. We DO NOT force faith. Faith cannot be bought. Faith is between you and God. Not humans. We do not want to convert you. We do not want you to change religion. Or culture. Or lifestyle. What we want is you to have a closer relationship with Allah
May I remind you though, Singapore has a law against disrupting a peace of a religion. And this is after all a Singapore blog. And we do have an extradition treaty with Malaysia. And KL is not a big place.
I am in Malaysia now even when I write this.
Anyway as the saying goes, I Sincerely Love All Muslim(ISLAM)….
Hi Tedfox, Emmanuel and SgCamper,
Looking forward to reading from me?
. I’ll write in due time since I’m busy with my work . I love you all too…
Syukri
Dear brothers in the Lord Jesus Christ,
Warm shaloms to all of you!
Suddenly it has become like ‘all quiet’ here…it SEEMS..:-)
Must be living extremely busy lives, yes, all of us..!
But I just like to share a little something related to our current caption ‘What Is Love?’ from a Biblical standpoint.
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.
15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
John 15: 12-17.
According to Sayidina Isa Al-Masih, “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. .” V.13.
And how true! These were no empty words made by the Redeemer of mankind. Because Jesus went on Himself to give up His life as a sacrifice for all our sins.
Jn 10:17 “The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
Jn 10:18 “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.”
John 10:17-18
And he did it all out of LOVE, THIS is the true love of God for all humanity, lets never forget that. Also, notice that Jesus ultimately LAID DOWN His life willingly, He had the power and authority to lay down his life, and the same to take it back again!
Isn’t that wonderful!
So, it should be an example for us all, to also ‘love one another’, especially those of the household of Faith.
Let it be so, Lord, Amen!
Br.Hamzah.
salam to all,
Emmanuel, Tedfox and Sgcamper,
I’m writing here as a Muslim to explain about Islam. If you hurt by it, so do Malay Muslim when you publicly approving Christianity. You may say that Malay is a race, not religion, but please bear in mind that Malay and Islam are strongly interrelated that you can’t simply ignore it. The word ‘ Malay Christian’ has socio-political-religious implication, just like the term ‘ Swine flu’ in Malaysia that one Malaysian Chinese minister wanted it to be changed ( coincidently the world changed it to influenza A H1N1, but BBC maintained the ‘swine flu’ term ).
Malay culture, language and history is developed by Islam. Islam did not destroy a culture and language of particular nation, but enrich and beautify it. Malay survive hundred years of colonialization and mantain it’s identity because of Islam. Unlike Conquistador Christians who forced their faith and language of indigenous people of Latin America and Africa that they don’t speak their mother tongue anymore and lose the culture, identity and history of their own.
You are sad..disappointed. Ok, point noted. Then what about Muslim being sad by this website? I also disappointed by the false claim about Islam ( like there is trinity in Islam, Jesus come through Muhammad etc ) You say what I said is lies, but please accept the reality of this dialogue; one blatant lie is an ultimate truth to the other one. Like divinity of Jesus, for you is a truth, for us is a complete false.
I can’t convince you, for Allah alone is the best guide. Therefore, I just write here for the sake of those who is still searching and comparing these two faiths.
SgCamper, with regard to your threat about extradition etc, I must say that this attitude reflect shallowness and escapism. ( can I pity you
instead of being angry or afraid) Unlike Emmanuel who try to find the common interest between us as a one race, you try to incite geographical nationalism as a simplistic way to shield yourself. You even pretended to be a ‘Muslim’ by the name Riduan to discredit me. You argue my style of writing than the facts that I presented. You also stopped the web posting. I advise you to do serious retrospection. You might need help.
Although I’m Malaysian, my discussion is solely on the topic of faith. If your faith is so great, why can’t you answer it ? Why you must incite sentiment?
For your information, my discussion here is general and in line with the rule. I don’t call you names of incite political or interracial sentiment. According to religious tolerance group, religious tolerance does not require you :
-To accept that all religion are equally true
-To avoid criticizing actions motivated by religion that harm others
-To avoid comparing belief of different religion with each other with scientific finding.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/
isn’t that what I’m doing now?
If I’m not mistaken, Singapore government did not encourage Christians to evangelize, therefore it’s you who must take precaution, not me. Especially your details are already everywhere here, unlike me
Emmanuel, I don’t expect you to ‘go down’ to my level by showing the bad side of Islam, suffice it if you give the defense. I notice that you are so eager answering question from Muslim in this website. You always ask about proof. What is the proof for if you can’t accept it?
RIDZUAN AKA TEDFOX AKA EMMANUEL, A STUDY CASE
According to Christians,The Christian doctrine of the Trinity teaches the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine states that God is the Triune God, existing as three persons, but one being. Each of the persons is understood as having the one identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.
Therefore:
1.Ridzuan/SgCamper is having the one identical essence i.e. A christian, who started the blogpost.
2.Tedfox is having the one identical essence i.e. A christian, who own the blog
3.Emmanuel is having the one identical essence i.e. A Christian, who always participate in the blog.
They are existing as three persons with different nature, but one being, Christian. So, they are one. And billions of Christians in this world are one.
???
Just kidding
Just a few note to ponder. This is some characteristic of Christian that I found in this website.
-DECEPTION
Changing personality and pretending to be Muslim ( but discovered and later admitted )
-LIES
Saying that Jesus come through Muhammad
Islam has trinity ( but the statement later removed )
-THREAT
Tty to fan nationalism ( Malaysia vs Singapore ) apart from discussing the matter of religion. Sign of desperation and lack of confidence.
FACT
Priest giving money is not a bogus story.They give it to foreign workers, students etc.
SIMPLEMINDEDNESS
Thinking that law of extradition can easily used to deport people because they speak about other religion. Funny.
Syukri
proud to be malay and muslim
Being in Malaysia, Malay Muslim does not equate a LOSER
Brothers SgCamper, Emmanuel and other Malay Christians here,
Warm shaloms in the Lord Jesus Christ to you!
Do not be intimidated or ashamed for being a follower of Jesus Christ. Let not the taunts of characters like Syukri or Muhd deter you from stating your true story of your journey of Faith, and how and why you are a Christian today, after abandoning Islam!
Your numbers are really increasing, and the fact is that, even though such a tyrannical belief system like islam, that forbids and forces its muslims to ‘ever concert out’ freely, YOU HAVE DONE SO.
The Bible, Gospel or Christ Himself NEVER forced His followers to be punished or persecuted when they leave their original belief. Thats why there are many nominal Christians who may have converted to islam, but there are no COMPARABLE repurcussions like what Islam imposes on muslims who abandon Islam!
Like that vile Hadith that proposes (in Al Bukhari Vol. 9:57 Hadith) which states:
“It is narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said: [From among the Banu Ishmael,] whoever changes his religion, KILL him..”
Stand proud and tall of what you have done.
Jesus Himself said – ‘Do not fear those who can kill the body, BUT fear God who can destroy BOTH the body and the soul..”
Shalom, Hamzah.
Assalamualaikum to all,
No rebuttal to my comments? It’s so unusual of you. Don’t be too hurry. I have a lot in my mind to share with you. InsyaAllah, I will comment your reply about Islam tomorrow since I don’t have luxury of time like you. At the meantime, keep searching and praying. May Allah guide us to the righteous path. Amin.
But allow me to remark about your comment that the number of Christians are increasing. Yes. That’s true in the developing world where many people are poor, uneducated and easily influenced. But Christianity is declining the heart of Christianity, the west. As I said earlier, like fast food, drug, etc, developing world always used as dumping site by developed world to throw their leftover.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity
Islam appeals to western world due it’s rational and practicality and more people in the west embracing Islam. New York Times says:Once very small, the Muslim population of the US increased greatly in the twentieth century, with much of the growth driven by rising immigration and widespread conversion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/us/nation-challenged-american-muslims-islam-attracts-converts-thousand-drawn-before.html
When Christian colonialist imperialist Portugese came to invade Malay Muslim Malacca Sultanate at 1511, their purpose is summarized to 3G. Gold, Gospel and Glory.
Funnily, they give us Gospel but take the Gold( wealth of this nation for more than 400 years ) and Glory for them ( by building the most beautiful and advanced country in the europe at that time )
Now, Alfonse de Albuquerque must be smiling in content in his grave because after failed attempt to christianize Malay for hundred of years, now they are coming into salvation. At last. Thanks to people like Hamzah.
Thank you Hamzah.
Peace to all ^_^
Syukri
Hi there paranoid dawagandist Syukri (and Muhd,too),
Very intersting that you would resort to empty cynicism – about the late Alfonse,etc, when you are empty and devoid of facts, thats a typoical tactic of muslim missionaries and preachers who want to distract from the main points!
You may as well gain an education for your wilful ignorance – that Christianity is not growing only FAST in the two-thirds world – but also have gained strong following in advanced countries like South Korea, Singapore – including among the Malays there, Hong Kong, even in China, where there is great oppression on Cristian believers.
Your caricature that Christianity grew only with the help of colonialists (see your post) is also a bankrupt idea! That idea is already proven out dated and LAPUK…!! HAHAHAHA.
Islam is growing in the west only by immigration and child reproduction. NOT by conversions. If Islamic nations are so great, properous and blessed, why do Muslims from 3rd countries LEAVE their muslim homelands for the much greener pastures of USA, Canada, Australia NZ, etc?? Muslims are forbidden from typical family planning and / or abortions so their family sizes can only increase exponentially, especially when a muslim man can have up to FOUR wives.
The West is well aware of the extremist and close-minded nature of Islam – as per the Danish cartoons of Muhammad prove, the murder of Theodore Van Gogh and of course, the Islamic terror attacks on the WTC on September 11, 2001. So, theres no real sound reasons for them to want to embrace Islam! Which is an anti-rationalistic belief system. Those events have opened the eyes of many westerners to the tyranny of islam.
On the other hand, many Muslims have abandoned Islam for Christianity – especially in the Arab and Iranian worlds!
You probably want to hide the facts that Arab MUSLIMS have also left and abandoned Islam – at the fantastic rate of tens of thousands and also in MILLIONS.
Muslim clerics (Imams, Mullahs, muftis etc) and leaders have themselves grudgingly admitted and confessed to this fact!
Here is the evidence that North Africa is one such place where muslims are abandoning Islam – in Millions annually:
http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103p2.htm
In others places – like Russia:
2 million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity in Russia
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
About the mass exodus opf muslims leaving islam in Africa, this was what Ahmad al-Qataani said:
“There are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed �..”
Read MORE about the hemorrage islam is experiencing today around the world, here:
http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2133&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
10,000 Frech Muslims converted to Christianity in last years,
http://alonzo-95.skyblog.com/
For English Translation : http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt … 560#251560
200,000 UK Muslims Left Islam
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html
And, of course, Iranian muslims have been abandoning islam for a while already:
50,000 Iranian Muslims have embraced Christianity in Iran in last 2 years
http://www.iam-online.net/Press_release_PDFs/IAMTVrelease_FINAL.doc (Read-Only
So, you see, your claims to the contrary are all now debunked and are all proven to be false and nothing more than hot air, Syukri and Muhamad!
Wassalaam, Hamzah.
Assalamualaikum Muhammad and my fellow brothers and sisters in faith.
Hi there Hamzah. If your intention of calling me names to provoke me, so that I will be emotional, and reply to you emotionally, then we distracted from our main topic, please forget it. I won’t buy your trick. Anyway, I’m thoroughly entertained by your desperate effort to discredit us by calling names and hurling abuse to Islam. Saya tak marah. Teruskan. It reminds me a mischievous boy in my primary classroom who like to jeer and make fun of other people to get attention and at the end got fine well deserved whack from the teacher. I think the readers also can see the real character of Christians.
1. My comment about Christian colonialist imperialist Alfonse and his vicious atrocities to Malay Muslim is not devoid of facts. Wikipedia ( your favourite reference ) say about him: He ordered the slaughter of all the Muslim population in an effort to reduce religious divergence hoping that it would force Hindus and Muslims to convert to Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_de_Albuquerque
For the person who intended to steal the body of Prophet Muhammad, and hold it for ransom until all Muslim had left the Holy Land, his political downfall is well deserved. Wikipedia said: Albuquerque’s career had a painful and ignominious close. He had several enemies at the Portuguese court who lost no opportunity of stirring up the jealousy of King Manuel against him, and his own injudicious and arbitrary conduct on several occasions served their end only too well. On his return from Ormuz, at the entrance of the harbour of Goa, he met a vessel from Europe bearing dispatches announcing that he was superseded by his personal enemy Lopo Soares de Albergaria. The blow was too much for him and he died at sea on December 16, 1515 ( same reference above ). Allah is great!
2. Christianity is NOT growing fast in those countries that you stated. Where do you get those facts or you just dreaming? Numbers of Christians among young Korean decreases by 5% per year
http://www.omf.org/omf/uk/asia/countries_omf_centres/korea/south_korea_profile
In fact, Islam is growing in Korea ( partly helped by Malaysian government ; Malay Muslim ) Alhamdulilah..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Korea
3.I’ve never said that Christianity grow only with the help of colonialist ( your another sign of delusion ). The fact that Christianity grow with the force, atrocities and manipulation is undisputable.
http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-missionary-atrocities.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_persecution_by_Christians
4. Yes, Islam is growing in the west mostly by immigration, and by the will of Allah, by child reproduction, ( something that desperately needed by Singapore but they just can’t. Seem that LKY can control everything, but he can’t force people to make more babies ) but ALSO by conversions. TIMES Onlines say: MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1026534.ece
New York Times says: Clearly, only a minuscule percentage of converts turn to active radicalism, and there are many reasons for converting: an admiration of Islamic texts and practices; a desire by women to remove themselves from what they perceive as the aggressive sexualization of Western life; the countercultural rebellion of the younger generation against their parents’ liberalism; and a sense of outrage at Western foreign policy in places like Iraq and Lebanon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/world/europe/17iht-converts.2514594.html
With regard to westerner conversion to Islam, Ibrahim Raymon said: A common reason cited is that, unlike Christianity, which can be heavy on theology, Islam is relatively simple and straightforward. So while Christianity revolves around metaphysical concepts such as the Trinity, Christology, the nature of salvation, grace, free-will vs election, and the futility of the law, Islam, in black and white terms, commands its adherents to do this and not do that. In fact, the Arabic word “Sharia,†that comprehensive body of laws Muslims must follow, literally means the “way†— as in the way to paradise.
http://victorhanson.com/articles/ibrahim091906.html
more on Islam by Western perspective:
http://www.nikk.uio.no/?module=Articles;action=Article.publicShow;ID=600
4. The growing Christian in the Middle East and other part of this globe is not by sincere conversion! They are mostly workers from Philippines and poor countries like Nepal! How deceptive. Using your phrase, if Christian countries are so great, why do Christians from 3rd countries LEAVE their Christian homeland for the much greener pasture of Dubai, Kuwait, Bahrain, Malaysia etc?
5.What’s wrong having FOUR wives? What about personalities in Bible who practiced polygamy? Or is that because it’s preferable to berzina to various women like what happen in Christian society now? Don’t worry, you will be saved by your salvation, right? Or Christian can just amend any law to their fancy like below:
“On February 14, 1650, the parliament at Nürnberg decreed that, because so many men were killed during the Thirty Years’ War, the churches for the following ten years could not admit any man under the age of 60 into a monastery. Priests and ministers not bound by any monastery were allowed to marry. Lastly, the decree stated that every man was allowed to marry up to TEN women. The men were admonished to behave honorably, provide for their wives properly, and prevent animosity among them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy
Hilarious!!
Do you really want to know why so many people convert to Christianity? It because all the deception and manipulation like giving money, taking orphan and collaborating with Jesus killer ( Jew of Israel )!!!
http://www.inminds.co.uk/occ.html
http://www.inminds.co.uk/tsunami.html
http://www.inminds.co.uk/occ-articles.html
Israel reaches out to evangelical Christians in Asia. A desperate coalition between two archenemy against raising emerging Islam.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331047063&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
For our info, priest giving money is NOT a bogus story as claimed by Emmanuel.
http://www.aefi.org.au/Support a national worker.htm
Hamzah, you are so optimistic about your new faith, ( biasalah, new broom ) but US: Evangelicals pessimistic about Christianity’s Future
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/family/981
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/us.evangelicals.pessimistic.about.christianitys.future/23521.htm
So Hamzah, what do you say?
Syukri
What comments?? You yourself are just another BLIND FOLLOWER of a bankrupt religion called islam.
Now your desperation forces you to malign me as someone knowing nothing about Christianity…HAHAHAHAHAHAA!! What a joke, LOLLLing!
So you suppose that you as a missionary muslim, attacking and bashing Christiantiy at every opportunity, know THE AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANITY Or the true Gospel??!! LOL!
You dupe yourself, ya Syukri, for buying into typical islamist anti-Christian / Bible / Gospel POLEMICS and calling THAT real Christianity..!
The same goes for Muhammad who is another Christian-bashing polemicist, but also shown to be bankrupt when he cannot respond intelligently at all to my straightforward, open question!
You TWO will do well to get a proper education of the Bible and real Christianity by reading and studying scholarly books about the Bible and reading the Bible itself, instead of drinking from the poisoned wells of the likes of Deedat, Zakir Naik and other misled Christian-bashers!
Also, go read the true stories of ex-Muslims who have embraced the TRUE Gospel like those I already posted PLUS this one below – the son of an Arab terrorist leader :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roC2dHJiVyo
He is real, flesh and blood EX-Muslim, and moreso – the son of islamist terrorist leader and founder of that organisation! He is not afraid to show his true face on Youtube.
Wake up, ya Syukri and Muhammad, dawagandists! BEFORE it is too late and you both be thrown into eternal HELL-Fire.
Wassallaam Bro.Hamzah.
Hi Brothers!
I’d like to address Syukri & Hamzah. It’s great that you guys are engaging so fervently.
Might i suggest that the both of you exchange each others’ email and take your discussion offline from this entry?
It seems that the current discussion has got nothing to do with the subject matter of the post: “What is Love?”
It’s probably best for everyone.
Thanks guys! Appreciate it. : )
God bless & Shalom,
Emmanuel
My desperate dawagandist Syukri,
You must be more than a little blind to misrepresent my words, as USUAL!
You have purposely ignored my post of syaikh Ahmad al Qataani’s complaints of ARAB Muslims leaving Islam from the Arab world, NOT immigrant woirkers from Philippines, etc as you facetiously assret, my friend!
Just in case you cannot find it, here it is again for everyones benefit:
About the mass exodus opf muslims leaving islam in Africa, this was what Ahmad al-Qataani said:
“There are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed �..â€
Read MORE about the hemorrage islam is experiencing today around the world, here:
http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2133&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Then, don’;t forget, the Muslims who leave their muslim homelands for FRANCE, also leave Islam :
10,000 Frech Muslims converted to Christianity in last years,
http://alonzo-95.skyblog.com/
For English Translation : http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt … 560#251560
And of course, those Muslims who have LEFT Islam in the United Kingdom:
200,000 UK Muslims Left Islam
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html
And, then of course, Iranian muslims have been abandoning islam for a while already:
50,000 Iranian Muslims have embraced Christianity in Iran in last 2 years
http://www.iam-online.net/Press_release_PDFs/IAMTVrelease_FINAL.doc (Read-Only
So, you see, your claims to the contrary are all now debunked and are all proven to be false and nothing more than hot air, Syukri and Muhamad!
Wassalaam, Hamzah.
Furthermore, your claim about conversions to islam in Korea are also false and misleading!
The increase in Muslims there, stems from those Immigrants from foreign countries – Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia etc, And NOT that Islam is so attractive to the Koreans -who know MUCH BETTER than to convert into a religion of TYRANNY such as Islam, par excellence..:-))
Wasalaam, Hamzah.
Ya Syukri,
This is a reply to your delusional claims on June 29, above!
I am not a ‘new believer’ in the true Gospel of Christ Jesus / Sayidina Isa al-masih!
I have come to faith in Jesus the Lord, more than 25 years ago…So, your insinuation of being a ‘new broom’ is not just delusional nonsense, but just stupid and daft…plain ‘bodoh’.
And uncalled for, of course.
I came to embrace the true Light of the World – the Lord Jesus, after studying the Quran and the Bible for many years.
When I discovered that the Quran and the Sunna of Muhammad is incomplete, and really incompetent to answer the sincere questions of thinking and rational people!
But the real answers are to be found in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, all the time.
Wasalaam, Hamzah.
Dear Hamzah,
You are so emotional, spiteful and angry. But surely I can’t expect anything more from a christian whose faith is so uncertain and without any focus. Dah tak ada modal lainkan? Tentulah mencarut dan merapu sahaja. Sepanjang surat anda penuh dengan caci maki. Tapi tak hairan, kerana injured dog bark loudest. Kesiaaan..
Please be assured that as a Muslim I won’t resort to desperate and cheap move to discredit my opponent like saying other people ‘ bodoh’ like you. Instead being angry, I pity you a lot and grateful that I did not do that. Alhamdulillah. In fact, your anctic remind me melancholic mentally ill people wandering in the street devouring rubbish cursing passerby and laughing of loud. See the similarities?
Good new for muslims and truth seekers. Seems that I don’t have to explain the futility of Christianity anymore because Hamzah Al Murtad show it all. Thank you Hamzah, thank you for making my job easier .:)
So you embraced Christianity long time ago? Thank goodness because who needs you as Muslim
Actually, who cares if all the whole world embracing Christianity if they are tin kosong like you, bising tapi tak ada isi? I’ll let you get the quantity that you desperately need. For your info, we Muslims don’t use money to bribe people like Christian do. We don’t use dirty money ( usury, gambling etc ) from Jews because we don’t have to. People THEMSELVES coming to Islam.
The Observer says:“..A year ago they feared their religion would be tarred by the atrocities that left over 3,000 dead in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. But Muslims across Britain are now crediting an ‘11 September factor’ for the upsurge of interest in their religion.
From Islamic bookshops and university comparative religion courses to the dusty corridors of Whitehall, non-Muslims are rushing to find out more about the beliefs of Islam and the life of the Prophet Mohammed.
Sales of the Muslim holy book, the Koran, have gone through the roof. Penguin, the publishers of the best-known English-language translation of the Koran, registered a 15-fold increase in the three months following 11 September and sales have held up well since. “
http://www.therevival.co.uk/wp-site/276
This is the fulfilment of Allah’s word in The Holy Quran:
61:8 They aim to extinguish God’s light with their utterances: [9] but God has willed to spread His light in all its fullness, however hateful this may be to all who deny the truth
We don’t afford to send missionaries and evangelist because Muslims are busy fending ourself againsnt opression from ’super power’ who are afraid of us. These kuffar even afraid of a peice of cloth ( hijab of Muslimah ).Kalau tak, takkan Yahudi bekerjasama dengan Kristian. This desperate pact and cunning evangelization has been predicted in The Holy Quran and accurately happened:
2:120 For, never will the Jews be pleased with thee. nor yet the Christians, unless thou follow their own creeds. Say: “Behold, God’s guidance is the only true guidance.” And, indeed, if thou shouldst follow their errant views after all the knowledge that has come unto thee. thou wouldst have none to protect thee from God, and none to bring thee succour.
With regard to Jews-Christian desperate alliance against Islam, Jerusalem Post says: The fifth annual Jerusalem Summit Asia, which was held in a Jerusalem hotel, brought together members of parliament from the Knesset’s Christian Allies Caucus, conservative Israeli academics and thinkers, and 150 political and religious leaders from the Philippines, India, Japan, China and Taiwan.
Again it says:”Jerusalem Summit V has brought Asian leaders and politicians to Israel in order to reinforce their commitment to the security of the State of Israel and the well being of its people during our 60th anniversary,” said caucus director Josh Reinstein.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331047063&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
The Holy Quran also precisely predicted about disbelievers usage of money ( bribery ) to achieve their fruitless agenda.
8:36 The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
Dear readers, below are the proof that Christians giving money ( bribe ) to poor people to convert to christianity under the banner ‘ REACHING ASIA THROUGH NATIONAL WORKER’.
http://www.aefi.org.au/Support a national worker.htm
to end, I would like to share 2000 study by the Swedish-based World Values Survey shows nearly half — or more — don’t regularly attend church in several Western European countries. percentage of people who “never” or “practically never” attend church in 14 democracies:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-10-europe-religion-cover_x.htm
More info about Christianity decline in Europe
http://www.albertmohler.com/commentary_read.php?cdate=2005-08-18
More info about Christianity decline in America
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/family/981
Hamzah, you are fighting a losing battle. Christians have been given chance to rule this world before ( through military and economic imperialism ) but look what they have done today? global misery, poverty and ignorance.
Therefore, ISLAM IS THE FUTURE OF THIS WORLD
110:1 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
110:2 And thou dost see the people enter Allah’s Religion in crowds,
110:3 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).
Allahu Akbar, Allah is great
Syukri
Hamzah, I have commented about people conversion to Christianity as you insisted. But you also purposely ignored my comment about your beloved Alfonso, atrocities by Christian, polygamy in Christianity, bribery by evangelist, evangel pessimism and Jews-Christian coalition against Islam.
For readers, if you can’t retrieve http://www.aefi.org.au/Support a national worker.htm to see proof of bribery, please click
http://www.aefi.org.au/ and click at ’support a national worker’ in the left side of the website. Hurry before they close it down
If you need money for free and don’t want to work, you can call them and pretend to be a worker. Just kidding!!
Syukri