I do not know where you are going with this line of thinking.

{DEFINITION: Messiah is a Hebrew word which means ‘Anointed One’. The Greek version of the word is ‘Christ’. Please WIKI}

Are you saying that Jesus is not the Messiah?

Christians consider Jesus the Messiah. I thought Muslims refer to Jesus as the Messiah also.

Quran 003.045
YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
PICKTHAL: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
SHAKIR: When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the ‘. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).

I think you contradict the Quran.

I feel your Islamic logic is confused.

Peace… out

To Zaid,
You say: “zaid, Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:20 am
……….”1) If Jesus had immediately descended after Adam sinned, all the generations would have received salvation like the generations after Jesus .Why Jesus came after few thousand years later?

2) What right did the prophets have to teach ppl all of the commandments and the observance of the Sabbath and other hardships if all of their works were worthless and belief in Jesus’ sacrifice which would not occur till many thousands of years after their death was the only way to salvation. – Zaid

Sonlight says : Your above statements shows a lack of knowledge of Christian beliefs.

Ask I understand it, after Adam disobeyed God and damaged the relationship between God and mankind, God began His plan to restore this relationship. God’s plan was to have Jesus pay the penalty for the sins of mankind by dying on the Cross. The efficacy (effective-ness) of Jesus death on the cross for washing away the sins of man was such that its effect was upon past, present and future sins of mankind. (It is as if Jesus were sacrificed before the creation of the world – 1 Peter 1:18-20 -18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, ……NIV)

The “commandments and the observance of the Sabbath …” in the past, in themselves, did not have any power to save anyone. But because of the obedience to God by His followers in the past, the followers of God in the past also benefited from the Sacrifice of Christ.

If ” the commandments and the observance of the Sabbath and other hardships …”(Zaid’s term) had any power in themselves to save, Jesus need not have died on the cross; there would be no Christianity.

So, without Christ’s Sacrifice, the works of the past, the observance of “commandments and the observance of the Sabbath” are worthless.

peace…. out

To Zaid
You say:”zaid, Mar 16th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Hi Sonlight,

After ALL your explanations, can you tell me exactly is Jesus a prophet or God? If your above points about Jesus similarities with Moses are valid, then Jesus is none other but a prophet like Moses…” – Zaid

Sonlight says: A ‘Prophet’ is ’someone who speaks by divine inspiration’ – according to the dictionary I am using. So a prophet speaks not his own message but God’s. (But Jesus is God, so every word Jesus spoke is God’s word. So Jesus,(the man), is a prophet in one sense as I see it)

Jesus is God appearing as a man. Jesus (the man) was called a prophet by those who saw the amazing things he did e.g. John 4:19 (before people realized he is God) and is also referred to as a prophet by the disciples even after they came to know that he is God ( Acts 3:17-26).

God chose to appear as a man named Jesus. But Jesus also appeared as a prophet. God can appear as a prophet if he so wishes. So Jesus is both God and prophet.

You as a Muslim seem to suggest there is a problem here where there is no problem. It is just your bias.

FYI. Jesus is also called a priest (Hebrews 4:14,15). Rabbi/teacher (John 3:1,2)

You mentioned Jesus is a sign of God. I have explained to you how God manifest in His Creations. So signs of God is everywhere within His Creations, not just Jesus. You simply don;t understand God, hence trying to picture God as a Man or whatsoever. You are definitely LOST when trying to prove your God’s existence. I’ve pointed several things about your flawed beliefs but you choose to ignore.

Let me reiterate my points from my previous posts:-

!) If Jesus had immediately descended after Adam sinned, all the generations would have received salvation like the generations after Jesus .Why Jesus came after few thousand years later??

2) What right did the prophets have to teach ppl all of the commandments and the observance of the Sabbath and other hardships if all of their works were worthless and belief in Jesus’ sacrifice which would not occur till many thousands of years after their death was the only way to salvation.

3) If Jesus was God being omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, where is Jesus now?

4) If Jesus was the prophet foretold by Moses, which is like Moses, how could Jesus be a prophet and God at the same time. Moses nor God himself did not foretold that God will be born among their brethren. It was mentioned a prophet.

5) The coming Messiah will be the King of Israel but Jesus never did become King of Israel nor ruled any nation.

6) When was Jesus born? Matthew says he was born when Herod was King of Judea. Luke says he was born when Cyrenius was Governor of Syria. He could not have been born during the administration of these tow rulers for Herod died in the year 4 B.C., and Cyrenius, who, in Roman history is Quirinius, did not become Governor of Syria until ten years later. Herod and Quirinius are separated by the whole reign of Archelaus, Herod’s son. Between Matthew and Luke, there is, therefore, a contradiction of at least ten years, as to the time of Christ’s birth.

7) Where was Christ born? According to the Gospels, he was called “Jesus of Nazareth.” Matthew declares that he was born in Bethlehem in fulfillment of a prophecy in the Book of Micah. But the prophecy of Micah has nothing whatever to do with Jesus; it prophesies the coming of a military leader, not a divine teacher.

Furthermore in the Roman custom, when an enrollment was made, was that every man was to report at his place of residence. The head of the family alone made report. In no case was his wife, or any dependent, required to be with him.

Imagine Mary had to travel about 90 miles which may take about 1 week journey to reach Judae? What was the means of transportation at that time besides by foot or riding an animal. Can any woman on the eve of giving birth withstand this. It wasn’t necessary for Mary to go, and Joseph wouldn’t have insist on it looking at Mary’s condition.However, the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem, the city of David; and by what we call a roundabout way, his birth was made to take place there.

The Gospels know nothing of thirty years of Christ’s life. How much do they know of the last years of that life? How long did the ministry, the public career of Christ, continue? According to Matthew, Mark and Luke, the public life of Christ lasted about a year while John believed his ministry covered about three years.

9) Philo, one of the most renowned writers the Jewish race has produced, was born before the beginning of the Christian Era, and lived for many years after the time at which Jesus is supposed to have died. His home was in or near Jerusalem, where Jesus lived. Yet this philosopher, who must have been familiar with Herod’s massacre of the innocents, and with the preaching, miracles and death of Jesus, had these things occurred; who wrote an account of the Jews, covering this period never once mentioned the name of, or any deed connected with, the reputed Savior of the world.
Strange indeed!

10) Never did any of the prophets before Jesus ever mentioned about Trinity or preach about crucifixion of Jesus to atone for our sins. Not even any history of the prophets that ever they had worshipped Trinity or regarded Jesus as God born as a Man.

There’s lots more that can be raised about the authenticity or legitimacy of the Bible or Truth about Trinity. But Christians don’t seem to listen, yet even to scrutinize them.

Peace

To Zaid
You earlier tried to show that Muhammad was the prophet like Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18. My reply (Sonlight, Mar 16th, 2010 at 5:11 am) shows the weakness of the Islamic position.
I have not finished replying to your earlier post. You seem now to be changing the subject by talking about archaeology. Why? Do you sense the weakness of Islamic thinking on this earlier topic? (Even your new approach is flawed. I shall address that later, if the Lord allows.)

I wish to continue with my reply.

“BIBLE INDICATES THHAT GOD IS NOT HIS CREATIONS

God is not a MAN, that he should lie; neither the SON of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”,Numbers 23:19
-zaid, Mar 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm”

Here again is another example of Muslims trying to make the Bible say what it does not say.

Here, Zaid , I feel in your attempt to show that Jesus is not God, you have missed the point of the verse you quoted (NUMBERS 23:19). You are using the verse to show that God is not a PHYSICAL MAN ( and Jesus was a physical man). But that is not what the verse in NUMBERS is talking about.
My understanding of this verse is that God (is not talking about whether he is a physical man or not but rather) is talking about His INTEGRITY. “God is not a man, THAT HE SHOULD LIE.” and I am sure you will agree with me that there are men who are liars. Also “..has he spoken, and will he not make it good?” (Numbers 23:19) which is also about his integrity.
This verse in Numbers is an example of the distinction (difference) between God and man. Here I am talking about the perfect character of God and and the flawed character of man (and not about God as spirit and man as a physical being.)
If we see the verse in NUMBERS in this way, than the verse in NUMBERS is an indication that JESUS IS GOD because Jesus did not lie, and made good whatever he spoke. Jesus is not just a prophet because, among men, only Jesus never sinned or make an error. (Even Prophet Moses and Saint Peter made errors.)
It is amazing that the verse (Numbers) you, used to try to prove that Jesus is not God actually is a sign that He is God.

Also you say : “CHRISTIANS MISUSED THE WORD GOD.” -zaid,Mar 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm”

Actually from what you, Zaid, have written about NUMBERS 23:19 and Deuteronomy 18:18 it is you (and other Muslim propagandist) who misused the Word of God (or are in error by interpreting it wrongly).

Peace… out

Clarifications on my above posts. My main point from the above posts is Jesus was born from Bethelhem Galilee Not Bethelhem Judae as Christians believed the Messiah should have come from.

Peace

John & Mark contradict Matthew saying Jesus wasn’t born in Bethelhem
Jesus wasn’t born in Bethelhem.

John & Mark contradict Matthew which both said Jesus was born in Nazareth.

John 7:41-43 (New International Version)

41Others said, “He is the Christ.”

Still others asked, “How can the Christ come from Galilee? 42Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David’s family[a] and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?” 43Thus the people were divided because of Jesus.

Mark 6:1-13
The Rejection of Jesus at Nazareth

6He left that place and came to his home town, and his disciples followed him. 2On the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astounded. They said, ‘Where did this man get all this? What is this wisdom that has been given to him? What deeds of power are being done by his hands! 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary* and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?’ And they took offence at him.

So if Jesus wasn’t born in Bethelhem, he did not fulfilled the prophecies that was said unto him.

Peace